Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

[Brooks R.]

Working on my 65 FI and cannot find the "Speed Pro" cam, all my searches come back with "Sealed Power" as the manufacturer.

Appreciate any help in pointing me to a Dealer in the Northern California area.

Walnut Creek or Concord CA would be great.

Thanks

[Norris W.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

Whatdabouta' Crane copy. I've had very good luck with their copies of original muscle car cams over the years. Unless my memory has failed me (AGAIN) the 365 camshaft is the same as the 67-69 Z28. Crane lists it under that part number instead of as the 365 cam, and yes the valve lash is listed as 30/30. Crane's part number is 967251. Summit's part number is crn 967251 and they show shipping date of 1/9/2011. If you want to spend an extra $20 (probably) over their std. $10 ship & handle you can probably get it overnight.

Summit's online listing:

Crane Cams 967251 - Crane Mechanical Flat Tappet Camshafts

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Estimated Ship Date: 1/9/2012

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[Duke W.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

...any NAPA store or napaonline.com. Sealed Power and Speed Pro are both Federal Mogul brands. It's the same part/part number under either brand.

If you want that engine to have some useable torque below 3500 revs install the CS-1045R LT-1 cam. That's what Chevrolet recommended over 40 years ago, and if you massage the heads it will have both more low end torque and more top end power than a Flint-built 327/365, with a useable power bandwidth to 7200. Use the VS-677 valve spring and put some decent connecting rods in it or don't rev it past 5000.

Search "327 LT-1" and follow the links to the Corvette Forum for all the system engineering and test results.

Duke

[Michael H.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

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If you want that engine to have some useable torque below 3500 revs install the CS-1045R LT-1 cam.
Duke

Couldn't resist, huh?

[Brooks R.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

Thanks Norris for the Crane Info

[Brooks R.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

Thanks Duke,

An earlier owner put in a hydraulic lifter cam and I want to get the motor back to the original sound and performance (or a little better would be nice too. What effect if any would this have on performance with the 65 FI unit. I understand there are some vacuum performance specifications particular to the 65 unit.

Any recommendations on light weight pistons and high perf rods. I want to maintain the 11:1 compression, although I realize there may be some octane issues and I would like the bottom end to be as bullet proof as possible to 7000+.

This is my first post as a recent member and I really appreciate the wealth of knowledge available from all the members.

Thanks

[Jack H.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

Thanks Duke,

An earlier owner put in a hydraulic lifter cam and I want to get the motor back to the original sound and performance (or a little better would be nice too. What effect if any would this have on performance with the 65 FI unit. I understand there are some vacuum performance specifications particular to the 65 unit.

Any recommendations on light weight pistons and high perf rods. I want to maintain the 11:1 compression, although I realize there may be some octane issues and I would like the bottom end to be as bullet proof as possible to 7000+.

This is my first post as a recent member and I really appreciate the wealth of knowledge available from all the members.

Thanks

I'd recommend L2166NF SpeedPro/SealedPower/FedMogul Forged Pistons which are replicas of factory pistons. Available in std and several oversizes (.030", .040", .060").

For the rods, I'd recommend new aftermarket "Eagle I-Beam" rods. They are a better design than factory, have larger 3/8" rod bolts (very high quality ARP bolts at that) which is a big upgrade over the weak link of the bottom end which are the old, smaller 11/32" rod bolts. Another option would be to recondition factory rods with new ARP bolts, but you'll end up with more money in them and rods that are not as good as the brand new Eagles.

Just my 2 cents.

[Scott M.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

If you want a nice USA forged rod I'd recommend a set of Crower Sportsmans plus they are lighter than the Eagle stuff.

[Clem Z.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

when you change out pistons and or rods you must balance the rotating assy if you want a smooth running engine

[John D.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

Brook, Just go as per our phone conversations. The CS-118R cam is available under Sealed Power/Federal Mogul. Forget the words Speed Pro.
Be careful you don't get CS-113R although that is my favorite for 57 to 63.
As far as where to order this cam that shouldn't be too difficult. When you go on various forums I am sure you will get a list of the favorite cams various individual like. I respect that info whether I agree or not. Remember a milder cam is better than wilder. Go wild and the FI unit will hate it.

Try Car Quest and NAPA for a start. They do have to special order it. John

[Duke W.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

Thanks Duke,

An earlier owner put in a hydraulic lifter cam and I want to get the motor back to the original sound and performance (or a little better would be nice too. What effect if any would this have on performance with the 65 FI unit. I understand there are some vacuum performance specifications particular to the 65 unit.

Any recommendations on light weight pistons and high perf rods. I want to maintain the 11:1 compression, although I realize there may be some octane issues and I would like the bottom end to be as bullet proof as possible to 7000+.

This is my first post as a recent member and I really appreciate the wealth of knowledge available from all the members.

Thanks

The FI unit should work better with the LT-1 cam because it pulls about 12" @ 900 vs. 10" @ 900 for the 30-30 cam, but I recommend an idle speed of 1000-1200 with FI.

The Speed Pro 2166 pistons mentioned are the OE replacements. Actual compression will come out to about 10.5 true depending on block deck height and gasket thickness. This has been discussed at some length and there is an article in the Corvette Restorer circa 2008 that tells you to "manage" your CR.

The best value for a good modern rod that doesn't weight much more than OE is the Eagle SIR - about 250 bucks per set. You can download their catalog.

The "327 LT-1" with a carburetor makes 80 percent peak torque at 2000, close to 300 RWHP at 6500 with a little drop off to 7200 where false valve motion starts. With FI low end torque might be a little less, but it should have a little more top end power.

Do the search and follow the links I recommeded above. The quality of the finished product will be directly proportional to your ability to understand and supervise the required work.

Duke

[Geoff B.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

I have a 1964 64 L-76 and need to replace the cam. I have spent the last 5 years getting this car back to original as much as possible. Are the recommendations made on this thread as far as best replacement cam the same for the L-76 engine or would you recommend a different one? Thanks in advance for any recommendations.

[Brooks R.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

Brook, Just go as per our phone conversations. The CS-118R cam is available under Sealed Power/Federal Mogul. Forget the words Speed Pro.
Be careful you don't get CS-113R although that is my favorite for 57 to 63.
As far as where to order this cam that shouldn't be too difficult. When you go on various forums I am sure you will get a list of the favorite cams various individual like. I respect that info whether I agree or not. Remember a milder cam is better than wilder. Go wild and the FI unit will hate it.

Try Car Quest and NAPA for a start. They do have to special order it. John

Thanks again John, I was having trouble with the Speed Pro name but the Sealed Power worked. I believe I have a Napa Store close by and will see if they have the Kit with matching lifters.

Also, I received the cable and the poster is great.

[Tom J.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

I have a nos cam. PM sent.

[Michael H.]

Re: Where to order Federal Mogul 30/30 Cam - Speed Pro CS-118R Cam or KC-118R Kit

The FI unit should work better with the LT-1 cam because it pulls about 12" @ 900 vs. 10" @ 900 for the 30-30 cam, but I recommend an idle speed of 1000-1200 with FI.

Duke

Yes, the LT1 cam will produce a smoother idle. And sawing the bar out of the back window of a split window coupe will provide much better visibility. Is that restoring though????

Is a smoother idle really an issue?

How many 64-65 FI cars have you owned, and of those, how many did you have an issue with the way it idled?

I've owned quite a few 64-65 FI cars and I never had an issue with the cam or the way the engine idled. In fact, I rather liked the sound of the cam.