How much is a Judging point worth?

[Todd L.]

I am in the middle of purchasing a replacement convertible top for my 70. I noticed that I can get a date stamp for an additional $75. I understand completely the reasons for the stamp but this made me begin to question how much a "scoring point" is actually worth.

I don't have my scoring manual with me so cannot give an example of how much a replacement part costs vs how many points are allowed when it is judged. I am sure there is an "unofficial" average $/point when restoring a car to NCRS Top Flight status. Of course averages are just that...an average.

Certain areas are given more weight for originality so you would guess (not assume ) that to puchase those date correct items would be more expensive. And I am not even considering the labor, just parts. Also, a replacement carb for a base car might be less expensive than an LT-1 but the judging points would be the same.

Has anyone else ever thought about this or am I the only one with a slow day at work?

[Robert C.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

You be the only one!
Points are worth what you'll pay for them. Some points cost nothing, some cost a bunch.

[Patrick H.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

Terry M has long discussed the "points per dollar" scenario. Check the Archives for that term and I'm sure that you will find plenty.

You also have to think of what is "expected" to be found on a car attempting to reach the highest levels. If it's a Chapter meet and you'll never have the car judged again because it's going to be a driver, don't worry about a date code. If it's Regional or National and there might be a Duntov or similar in your future, then the judges "expect" to see that date code. If it's not there then they will start to subconsciously wonder what other details you missed or skimped on.

Just my $0.02

[Michael B.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

Do you have a picture of what the date stamp looks like? I wanted my jack tray date stamped for the National last year so I purchased a 10-digit stamp with the correct font on-line and stamped it myself. Let me add that it cost me less than $75.

[Todd L.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

Michael,

I have not seen them but guess it is an exact reproduction embossed into the rear window. Maybe someone else coudl respond?

[Stephen B.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

I have a 1970 vert that's been judged at both a chapter and regional. There's no mention of judging the date in the 1970-72 judging manual, and I never had a point taken off for a lack of a date. My points deducted were for not having the cloth label and missing the jock strap.

[Patrick H.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

I have a 1970 vert that's been judged at both a chapter and regional. There's no mention of judging the date in the 1970-72 judging manual, and I never had a point taken off for a lack of a date. My points deducted were for not having the cloth label and missing the jock strap.

You got lucky. I know that I've always checked for a date. I don't have my manuals here at work so can't quote you what it states.

If you're going through the trouble of an Al Knoch top with the tag and everything else, why not get the date too?

Patrick

[Stephen B.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

I agree that if you're going to all of the trouble, then get the date right. But I'd definitely make sure that you have the correct jock strap and cloth tag.

[Terry M.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

There's no mention of judging the date in the 1970-72 judging manual, ...

It was there in 1993, and if it is not there now it was edited out by mistake -- but I doubt that. I'll look when I get to my manual.

[Stephen B.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

I'm looking at pages 47 and 48 of the 4th edition of the 1970-72 manual.

[Stephen B.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

Moreover, there's no mention of date on page 4 of the Exterior Judging Sheet for 1970-72.

[Patrick H.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

I'm looking at pages 47 and 48 of the 4th edition of the 1970-72 manual.

You need to look on page 41.

[Patrick H.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

Moreover, there's no mention of date on page 4 of the Exterior Judging Sheet for 1970-72.

...because it's in the middle of page 2.

[Stephen B.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

I stand correctly. I lost 2 judging points for no date. My apologies for attempting to disseminate misinformation. lolol.

[Gene M.]

Re: How much is a Judging point worth?

OK, I can see every body's point. So here is a interesting point on points. According to the manual the entire frame is worth 5 points originality and 5 points condition. Try to picture a full deduction for a missing frame........ the car would only loose 10 points. At the other end of the scale the emissions label is worth 20 points half each for originality and condition. If missing a full deduction of 20 points for the no show on the label.

What does the decal cost?.......$4 with a 10 second installation. A frame is about $5 grand and a how long to assembly?

Talk about cost per point, I'll do the decal any time over a frame.