My thoughts right or wrong?

[Roy B.]

Re: My thoughts right or wrong?

Michael,Kenneth and David that is all I'm trying to say (and it is what it is) SACC members are %99 NCRS members , when I started the organization I dint tell people that NCRS was a bad thing, I in-couraged people to join NCRS, I think I can say I brought more people to NCRS then most . Many members now have top flight Corvettes and drive them .When I became a member in 1975 I had many Original Corvettes and only three time did I ever enter judging with a 55-57&67 and only once.
And only to display them with out the need to receive any flight award , but if they did great
I keep my distance from NCRS because I do like all Corvettes that people have. I just don't judge a person by the quality of his or her Corvette.

[Bruce B.]

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I currently drive a 62 Almond Beige red interior 340 HP matching numbers car.
I love original cars, I'm currently restoring a 57 250 hp Powerglide car.
But a few years ago I bought a basket case 62 and looked at it from 2 perspectives.
First, it was all wrong, other then the frame and the body nothing was correct. Cost to restore to original, lots of $$.
So I took the car and made it into a modern driver. GM Ramjet crate engine, Vintage air, pretty non stock paint wheels etc. Cost maybe 25% of a "correct restoration".
Put 8500 miles on the car in 1 year then moved on to the next project.
I think each individual needs to decide how he (or she) wants to enjoy the car, who much can you afford to spend and then go for it.
Remember this car was not correctly restored but it was well preserved.
I have attached a few pictures.
DO YOUR OWN THING AND ENJOY THE HOBBY.

[Sandra H.]

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With a one owner '62 Corvette (late husband's) that needs a complete restoration, right now it's keep my mouth mostly shut and just listen and learn. Would like to restore to as original as possible, but with a motor that dynos at 480hp it's just too tempting to me to not have some fun with it.
So just love it when anyone posts info I can use.
Thanks for the education!
Cheers, Sandy

[Rick S.]

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Roy,
Your comment that most posts are about C2 is most likely correct. I graduated from high school in 1963 and one of my buddies dad was a GM exec and bought a 63 split window and being around that new car really peaked my interests in the "mid-year" Corvettes. I consider myself one of the "older" guys but understand that we all relate to older cars in a different way. I just consider that guys from my era relate to the mid-year Vettes better than the C-1 cars. I also understand that people that are younger than me can relate to the C-3 era. I don't dislike C-1 or C-3 Corvettes but gravitate towards the C-2 generation.
I like all Corvettes , even modified Corvettes, some more than others.

[Sandra H.]

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Roy, Ok I will admit, I can straddle the fence. I like your accessories, I think they obvously add allot to your enjoyment of the car. My goal is to first return the car to the way it left the factory, then I can add my personal, but bolt on touches to satisfy me. Yes, the radio will probably go on the shelf, but the original will be on hand, if I want it. Someone already cut speakers into the kickpanels, but I already had a set of original kickpanels ready to replace the cut ones, when I want. In the mean time I will enjoy the tunes in sterio. I will probably not but on 6.70 tires, but a nice radial tire, since I am going to drive the car. These tires though will be of the correct white wall width on orginal wheels with factory hubcaps. I will probably never have my car judged, nothing wrong with those who do though. I am just doing the car and driving it because I want to. Heck, we are only "leasing" these cars during the short time we are here on earth anyhow.

Dave, it's good to see your opinion. I want my car to look as original as possible, but it will be an everyday driver. It's always been a car with which to have fun and it will stay that way. So the big motor will stay and a decent sound system, tires, etc. Wasn't too sure if I would get kicked out of NCRS or not, but looks like there are plenty of enthusiasts in both camps.
All my best, Sandy

[Mike E.]

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Bruce--
That is one mighty fine looking maroon 62!!!!!!!
Roy--the 62 fuelie that is my daily driver all summer long has a set of Ansen knock-off wheels on it (Look like AR torq-thrusts) and I love the look. I drive the car and I like the look without the hubcaps. There are plenty of places to enjoy the car and have it appreciated by others. It get 3-4000 miles each summer. But since the NCRS judging standard is "as it left the factory" my role is not to continually pick at those who have their cars judged and not drive them. Who am I to tell them what to do with their cars? The NCRS is a restoration society. I shouldn't expect people in a restoration society to support my appreciation of the non-stock wheels, or if I was a trinkets guy, to expect them to like my shaver and my vacuum-operated Kleenex dispenser. I need to find another outlet for that, rather than always berating those who joined the restoration society for liking restoration according to the standards of the organization they chose to join.

[Dan H.]

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Amen Mike!

[Chuck S.]

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...So the big motor will stay and a decent sound system, tires, etc. Wasn't too sure if I would get kicked out of NCRS or not, but looks like there are plenty of enthusiasts in both camps...

KICKED OUT!!! Are you kidding, Sandra?...You represent $35 of guaranteed NCRS revenue every year! We don't kick anybody OUT! HaHaHa...

Seriously, NCRS has a wide range of owner interests, and there is no organizational prohibition of ANYONE'S idea of a fun Corvette. Most of us realize, however, that the strength of NCRS is in providing membership with the knowledge to restore the cars as close to the condition they were in when new, and organized activity that assess owner's cars to that standard and recognize success in that endeavor. Membership in the NCRS, however, does not preclude us from owning and enjoying whatever year, type, stlye Corvette we prefer...classic, late model, heavily modded, resto-modded, whatever; but, I wouldn't expect all "preferences" to be equalled liked by all the membership.

Roy keeps asking these "introspective" questions like he really wants to hear our opinions about what he thinks about the "other side". He keeps getting a mixed response, with the majority of opinions contrary to his feelings. If he went over to CF and asked the diametrically opposite question, e.g. "Should I trade my 2008 black coupe with Corsas and Chuck Cow tune (assuming Roy had such a car) for an original 1955 Copper roadster?", the responses there would be predictably reversed, with most being being along the lines of "ARE YOU FREAKIN' CRAZY??!!".

Frankly, I'm beginning to think Roy is on a crusade to "change" us (NCRS) while "keeping his distance", or else he has a severe inferiority complex, and is constantly trying to reassure himself that his thinking is "on the beam". What he doesn't realize is that each of us is free to make our own choices about preferences, and that "others" don't have to necessarily like what we prefer. As with some posters on another forum, asking others about YOUR preferences is an oxymoron.

Roy, as with CF and its activities for the newer cars, NCRS has a niche in which it excels. I wouldn't recommend trying to improve and broaden the NCRS to be about ALL Corvettes if that is your intention...there are other organizations that already are doing a good job at that. It is unneccessary for the NCRS to lose its uniqueness as an organization just because a few want it to be equally inclusive for ALL years and styles of Corvettes. As an owner of a 2006, which I enjoy in an entirely different way than the 70 I own, I can see both sides of the fence.

In my opinion, it's like the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy...an occasional mention of the "other side" is OK, but it's better to keep your "other life" separate unless you're really thick-skinned.

[Bruce B.]

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With a one owner '62 Corvette (late husband's) that needs a complete restoration, right now it's keep my mouth mostly shut and just listen and learn. Would like to restore to as original as possible, but with a motor that dynos at 480hp it's just too tempting to me to not have some fun with it.
So just love it when anyone posts info I can use.
Thanks for the education!
Cheers, Sandy

Sandy,
The cars are meant to be enjoyed (= Driven in my book) either original or restored or both.
Enjoy yours.
Bruce B.

[Roy B.]

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Frankly, I'm beginning to think Roy is on a crusade to "change" us (NCRS) while "keeping his distance", or else he has a severe inferiority complex, and is constantly trying to reassure himself that his thinking is "on the beam". What he doesn't realize is that each of us is free to make our own choices about preferences, and that "others" don't have to necessarily like what we prefer. As with some posters on another forum, asking others about YOUR preferences is an oxymoron.

No that is NOT what I wont, May be I just like asking questions and boy do I read different ideas from people that think they know what I wont. Is having a inferiority complex asking why CF and NCRS why people don't see eye to eye ,I always felt free to show my Corvettes in NCRS , if I dint I would not have entered my non-factory 55 to be judged .
Lets just end this discussion and move on before I get deleted from NCRS or worse!!

[Don S.]

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There is a way you can have your cake and eat it too. I saw a picture of a 54 or 55 in Millenium yellow with white leather seats and the front licence chrome missing. This car had been restored correctly and then painted a differ color and with different. seats. Easily changed back and the car looked awesome. Just have fun!!



Don Steele

[Kenneth B.]

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Michael,Kenneth and David that is all I'm trying to say (and it is what it is) SACC members are %99 NCRS members , when I started the organization I dint tell people that NCRS was a bad thing, I in-couraged people to join NCRS, I think I can say I brought more people to NCRS then most . Many members now have top flight Corvettes and drive them .When I became a member in 1975 I had many Original Corvettes and only three time did I ever enter judging with a 55-57&67 and only once.
And only to display them with out the need to receive any flight award , but if they did great
I keep my distance from NCRS because I do like all Corvettes that people have. I just don't judge a person by the quality of his or her Corvette.

My one big concern with NCRS is it seems to be shifting to the people that judge the cars IE. MASTER JUDGES ETC. & what they know than the Corvettes that are looked at. A lot of us are old school. We were in love with ALL CORVETTES. In the day I hot rodded a lot of cars & now I am restoring them. ROY I believe members are on your side of the fence.
KEN

[Chuck S.]

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Frankly, I'm beginning to think Roy is on a crusade to "change" us (NCRS) while "keeping his distance", or else he has a severe inferiority complex, and is constantly trying to reassure himself that his thinking is "on the beam". What he doesn't realize is that each of us is free to make our own choices about preferences, and that "others" don't have to necessarily like what we prefer. As with some posters on another forum, asking others about YOUR preferences is an oxymoron.

No that is NOT what I wont, May be I just like asking questions and boy do I read different ideas from people that think they know what I wont. Is having a inferiority complex asking why CF and NCRS why people don't see eye to eye ,I always felt free to show my Corvettes in NCRS , if I dint I would not have entered my non-factory 55 to be judged .
Lets just end this discussion and move on before I get deleted from NCRS or worse!!

You won't get your posts deleted here for expressing your opinions, just as I won't. Don't quit a healthy discussion just because you're not hearing what you want to hear.

Why are you concerned that CF and NCRS people "don't see eye to eye"? And...what does seeing "eye to eye" mean? Are you trying to teach us "diversity" tolerance with these "right or wrong" discussions? In my case, I don't believe I need to be taught "diversity" tolerance, but I admit that all of us are generally blind to our faults.

I am a frequent poster on both forums. I don't think there is any general animosity between the two forums as implied by "seeing eye to eye", but clearly the interests of the majority of the participants are different and "never the twain shall meet".

When I'm over there, I am primarily trying to help less experienced owners with technical questions they may have about their C6s, good maintenance practices, and probable causes for noises or symptoms, etc based on a lifetime of automotive and engineering maintenance experience. When I'm over here, I'm trying to help members with restoration questions based on my experience and from my point of view. The observed facts about these cars, assuming the observations are accurate, are the facts. I believe I had a unique opportunity to make and document accurate observations from my car due to it's condition, but any other member is free to believe what they want to believe. I try not to stray too far off the reservation like I once did...I've found you're likely to be wrong applying one year class, even another model year, experience to another.

There are even different approaches to some aspects of restoration; e.g. the acrylic lacquer vs. modern coatings debate. Often, we don't even see "eye to eye" here about the answers to restoration questions, but that's fine...I give my reasons for doing something a given way, and posters are free to take my advice or not. The reasons a poster has for NOT taking my advice may not make any sense to me, but I try to understand his position knowing that, ultimately, what he does with his car is his choice.

I don't have to "hate his guts" for having ideas different from mine; nor do I have to change my ideas and preferences so we can "all just get along"...big world, big hobby, lots of "diversty", NO PROBLEM.

[Kenneth B.]

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Bruce--
That is one mighty fine looking maroon 62!!!!!!!
Roy--the 62 fuelie that is my daily driver all summer long has a set of Ansen knock-off wheels on it (Look like AR torq-thrusts) and I love the look. I drive the car and I like the look without the hubcaps. There are plenty of places to enjoy the car and have it appreciated by others. It get 3-4000 miles each summer. But since the NCRS judging standard is "as it left the factory" my role is not to continually pick at those who have their cars judged and not drive them. Who am I to tell them what to do with their cars? The NCRS is a restoration society. I shouldn't expect people in a restoration society to support my appreciation of the non-stock wheels, or if I was a trinkets guy, to expect them to like my shaver and my vacuum-operated Kleenex dispenser. I need to find another outlet for that, rather than always berating those who joined the restoration society for liking restoration according to the standards of the organization they chose to join.

I think the point of all this is that on this forum members should be able to talk about non NCRC restoration topics. WE all agree that the main thrust of the NCRS is to the originality of Corvettes but why not let the custom people join our dissociations. NO on wants to change the mission of NC RS just try to broaden the membership. Remember when Members got there panties in a wad when 63-67 Corvettes were judged. Times are a changen.
I see the Corvette museum is kicking us out because we are not bringing in the money like the ZO-6 crowed dose.
KEN

[Chuck S.]

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...I see the Corvette museum is kicking us out because we are not bringing in the money like the ZO-6 crowed dose...

That's what comes from monetary pressures forcing a MUSEUM to be operated like a business in order to survive.

To the business man looking only at the balance sheet, this present course makes a lot of sense right now...NCM has discovered how to make money and they don't NEED the NCRS for support anymore; it's all about Gen (N) and Gen (N-1) now.

Well, that'll work until new Corvette buyers discover the "musuem" is only about Gen (N) and Gen (N-1) with all the history display of a mall parking lot. Once the history and heritage is gone, and the NCM becomes a depot for picking up your new Corvette, it's days will truly be numbered...But, I wouldn't expect a "businessman" or a "professional design firm" to be able to see that far ahead.