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I was just told today by a very respected individual in the Corvette reproduction patrs business that the oil filter that is the correct one for '68 and '69's is the PF29 -not PF25. Can anybody corroborate this? He claims that the next edition of the judging guide will reflect this and that it should be judged this way. This is the first I've heard of this.
Jeff
Jeff, the PF-29 is correct for the '68 and we believe the early '69's. I believe that Corvette Central had a run of about 1,000 or so of these filters made. They also fit '68 Camaros. The PF-11 we are unsure about it's usage, it is possible early on, but we have not seen enough evidence to verify it.
Jeff, the PF-29 is correct for the '68 and we believe the early '69's. I believe that Corvette Central had a run of about 1,000 or so of these filters made. They also fit '68 Camaros. The PF-11 we are unsure about it's usage, it is possible early on, but we have not seen enough evidence to verify it.
If I could just get that buddy of mine who's the original owner of his early 1969 to come up with his original oil filter which he says that he's sure he saved, we could have some solid information as to what was used in early 1969. He says he has it "somewhere" in his basement.
If I could just get that buddy of mine who's the original owner of his early 1969 to come up with his original oil filter which he says that he's sure he saved, we could have some solid information as to what was used in early 1969. He says he has it "somewhere" in his basement.
So now let's apply this information the the judging process. If you believe this to be true and are judging my early '69 (Oct. '68) and it has an original white PF25 and the current judging guide shows this to be correct, how do you judge it?
Jeff
So now let's apply this information the the judging process. If you believe this to be true and are judging my early '69 (Oct. '68) and it has an original white PF25 and the current judging guide shows this to be correct, how do you judge it?
Jeff
If you're asking if NCRS judges have the latitude use their knowledge and experience rather than parroting the TIM&JG, the answer would ultimately depend on the Team Leader, but I can remember few instances where the judge's knowledge wasn't give precedence over the Judging Guide.
Can you seek redress by appealing the use of knowledge outside of, and/or contrary to, the TIM&JG for points deducted? Sure, you are always encouraged to appeal judging decisions you believe to be incorrect, but nine times out of ten, you won't win that argument simply because "it's printed right there in the TIM&JG".
And, regardless of how frustrating that can be to the younger restorer "following the book", it probably shouldn't change...that frustration is the vinegar that helps power the judging guide revision process, however slow it may often become.
If you're asking if NCRS judges have the latitude use their knowledge and experience rather than parroting the TIM&JG, the answer would ultimately depend on the Team Leader, but I can remember few instances where the judge's knowledge wasn't give precedence over the Judging Guide.
Can you seek redress by appealing the use of knowledge outside of, and/or contrary to, the TIM&JG for points deducted? Sure, you are always encouraged to appeal judging decisions you believe to be incorrect, but nine times out of ten, you won't win that argument simply because "it's printed right there in the TIM&JG".
And, regardless of how frustrating that can be to the younger restorer "following the book", it probably shouldn't change...that frustration is the vinegar that helps power the judging guide revision process, however slow it may often become.
If the filter is the same shape, same color,installed the same, and so on , the only difference is the lettering; that would be a 20% deduction on the originality side and, if its in good shape, zero in the condition side.
If the filter is the same shape, same color,installed the same, and so on , the only difference is the lettering; that would be a 20% deduction on the originality side and, if its in good shape, zero in the condition side.
Dickie,
Have you seen the Corvette Central PF-29 reproduction.? The original PF-29 that I have in my collection shows very sloppy paint work. Much worse than the original PF-25's. If CC reproduces the PF-29 like the PF-25 reproductions they well be very easy to detect.
Dickie,
Have you seen the Corvette Central PF-29 reproduction.? The original PF-29 that I have in my collection shows very sloppy paint work. Much worse than the original PF-25's. If CC reproduces the PF-29 like the PF-25 reproductions they well be very easy to detect.
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