Regional in Arizona 2023

[Harry S.]

Re: Regional in Arizona 2023

You two missed my point, which is my contempt for the 5-Star program. Without car owners, there is no need for judges, much less judges chasing after recognition for mere "participation". (The 100 points after level 400). Level 400 judges probably accrued many of their 400 points in a specific division, area, and even year. An NTL is forced by the 20 points per area requirement to select judges that may have little or no experience in up to four areas. This lack of proficiency is detrimental to consistency and quality of results in flight judging. Many Level 400s have continued to judge in their areas of proficiency, disregarding the 500 program. My observation has been that some of the "chasers of 500" are not dedicated to providing the best they are capable of because they are "ok" with producing mediocre results because they are required to participate in areas they are not proficient in.

The 5-Star program puts the cart in front of the horse. Without car owners, there in no need for judges. The current configuration of the 5-Star program is detrimental to the interests of the car owners because some of their judges may not "be the best available". Especially at National events. IMO, the 5-Star program needs some serious revisions.

Go look at the profiles of the people you are talking about, specifically how many cars they took through the system.

[Mike D.]

Re: Regional in Arizona 2023

In the JRM, page 53, It is the five star master judge award. I knew what Dave Perry meant. We understand the challenge to getting to 500 points. All my points are in 1 section, which I am more comfortable with.

[Michael J.]

Re: Regional in Arizona 2023

Indeed, most of us will never get involved with this.

[Patrick H.]

Re: Regional in Arizona 2023

In the JRM, page 53, It is the five star master judge award. I knew what Dave Perry meant. We understand the challenge to getting to 500 points. All my points are in 1 section, which I am more comfortable with.

Thanks for the notation.
Nothing like using the same name for two totally different programs...

[Brian D.]

Re: Regional in Arizona 2023

[ Dave's earlier post about owners, judges, and purple hats seems to have vanished. ]
I've always found meets to be a cooperative effort.
If no cars show up, judges would mill around with nothing to do.
If no judges show up, owners would mill around with nothing to do.
Without volunteer organizers, both owners and judges would mill around... no facilities, no hotel block, no catering arrangements.
So we really need everyone involved in order to be successful!
However, in Dave's favor I must say:
I've never heard of a regional meet losing money by having too many cars registered.

[Michael J.]

Re: Regional in Arizona 2023

I would agree, and in looking at the last 5 years or so of regionals and nationals, I would say the number of cars registered for judging seems to be the major problem we are having.

[Bob D.]

Re: Regional in Arizona 2023

Not only is there a problem getting cars to a regional, but then there is the problem of cars dropping out at the last minute. We had 5 cars drop out the week before the Texas Regional. We also had 2 no shows the day the regional started. That is why we did not publish car counts for Frisco and won't in the future. We also had a large number of room cancellations at the last minute that put the chapter below 100% of room guarantee. Luckily we had enough sponsors to offset these unplanned costs. Unless you are prepared for unexpected expenses a chapter could lose their shirt putting on a regional. We realize there are unexpected circumstances, but there are expenses that must be met.

Bob

[Michael H.]

Re: Regional in Arizona 2023

All Regionals will have cars drop out at the last minute that should be expected that is not a good reason to not show car counts. Almost all Regionals this year showed car counts except for Texas. I applaud all of the Regionals that did, it makes it easier for Judges to seek other areas to judge.

Mike

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Regional in Arizona 2023

Thought NCRS was about the cars not some peoples ego to get a hat showing how much they know about Corvettes but in reality its their hobby to run all around the country judging to get a colored hat. Some went from restoring Corvettes for a hobby to getting hats. NCRS created this new hobby to make money. Now we have more hats than Corvettes at the shows.

[Michael H.]

Re: Regional in Arizona 2023

Thought NCRS was about the cars not some peoples ego to get a hat showing how much they know about Corvettes but in reality its their hobby to run all around the country judging to get a colored hat. Some went from restoring Corvettes for a hobby to getting hats. NCRS created this new hobby to make money. Now we have more hats than Corvettes at the shows.

To each his own, I love the cars and hats and it's not a ego thing for most Judges. Nothing wrong with having to many corvettes and hats.

Mike

[David H.]

Re: Regional in Arizona 2023

... but in reality its their hobby to run all around the country judging to get a colored hat....

Kenneth

You want those "hats" to stay away? All those "hats", that don't bring cars, subsidize owner's judging.

"Hats" expend time, effort, and money to gain expertise about YOUR car.

They pay for the privilege of judging your car, and you belittle and bad mouth them.

Does NOT sit well with me.

Dave

[Eric P.]

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Dave,
From an owner who has never judged the answer is no; we owners by in large respect you fellow members who judge our cars at your expense, just like you judges respect us owners, and always Thank us for bringing our cars to be judged. We should be sure to Thank and honor our judges! They deserve as much recognition as the owners.

We (the NCRS) are becoming divided as a club who claims, "You join for the cars, and stay for the people", just as our country and personal lives are seeing us becoming divided each day by a sheer lack of respect for others.

There is no argument to be had here. We should recognize the judges and the owners; both are making an investment. Forget the money...what about the passion we all have or once had for Corvettes, and more importantly making new friends? That is what the NCRS was built on.

One without the other yields nothing.
Eric Patty
NCRS Member #8355