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  • Gary J.
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    • April 1, 1980
    • 1225

    #31
    Re: Bowtie award, then what

    The Bow Tie score sheets are not return to the owners period!

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    • Michael J.
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      • January 27, 2009
      • 7033

      #32
      Re: Bowtie award, then what

      Originally posted by Gary Jaynes (3503)
      The Bow Tie score sheets are not return to the owners period!
      And the reason for that is..........?
      Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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      • Gary J.
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        • April 1, 1980
        • 1225

        #33
        Re: Bowtie award, then what

        To keep guys from try to build Bow Tie cars.

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        • Michael J.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • January 27, 2009
          • 7033

          #34
          Re: Bowtie award, then what

          Good reason, that is what I had thought.
          Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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          • Michael J.
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            • January 27, 2009
            • 7033

            #35
            Re: Bowtie award, then what

            Yes, as I have said before, you can make/build a Duntov car, but you have to buy a Bowtie.
            Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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            • Paul K.
              Very Frequent User
              • February 1, 2002
              • 158

              #36
              Re: Bowtie award, then what

              Thank you to all, my 70 LT1 is missing all the emissions system, seat foam is broken down, but I think all other parts are there, the LT1 is really fun to drive, although I have not driven 50 miles,
              Paul Klemetson

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              • Michael J.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • January 27, 2009
                • 7033

                #37
                Re: Bowtie award, then what

                My first Corvette was a '70 LT1, I bought it in 1975 and the first thing I did was rip out that emissions junk. That by itself may not disqualify you from Bowtie, you could still get it judged and do a Bowtie sign-off at a regional and ask the team lead about going further. And if it does win the Bowtie, then you can decide what you want to do with it, but they are fun to drive, enjoy it whatever you decide.
                Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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                • Mark F.
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                  • August 1, 1998
                  • 1394

                  #38
                  Re: Bowtie award, then what

                  As far as the Age Factor goes for Bowtie judging, the JRM says the maximum available is 3.6%.

                  Is that Age Factor % determined linearly from 1953 to 1982 - IOW, a 1953 gets the MAX 3.6%, but a 1982 might only get - let's say 0.1% as an example?

                  Or is it a discretionary call on the part of the judges?
                  thx,
                  Mark

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                  • Brian D.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • May 1, 1999
                    • 422

                    #39
                    Re: Bowtie award, then what

                    Mark,
                    The Age Factor allowance has changed somewhat.
                    There used to be a complicated equation involving subtracting some number (I believe it was 40) from the model year.
                    That did indeed vary the final result according to the actual age of the car.
                    According to CJRM 9th Edition, all cars from 1953-1982 now receive the maximum 3.6% boost.
                    So if a particular area ends up at 81.4% or 76.4%, the age factor will push that up to a passing score of 85% or 80%.
                    I was fortunate that my '82 didn't need the age factor to pass, but it was nice to know that was available.
                    B.D.

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                    • Mark F.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • August 1, 1998
                      • 1394

                      #40
                      Re: Bowtie award, then what

                      Originally posted by Brian Davies (32153)
                      Mark, The Age Factor allowance has changed somewhat. There used to be a complicated equation involving subtracting some number (I believe it was 40) from the model year. That did indeed vary the final result according to the actual age of the car. According to CJRM 9th Edition, all cars from 1953-1982 now receive the maximum 3.6% boost. So if a particular area ends up at 81.4% or 76.4%, the age factor will push that up to a passing score of 85% or 80%. I was fortunate that my '82 didn't need the age factor to pass, but it was nice to know that was available.
                      Hi Brian,
                      I see...and that seems like a much simpler way from an implementation standpoint.
                      You get the 3.6% if you need it - and it's irrelevant if you don't...
                      thanks for explaining !
                      thx,
                      Mark

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                      • Daniel S.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • January 14, 2011
                        • 307

                        #41
                        Re: Bowtie award, then what

                        We achieved 5 Stars with our former '67 L36 Convertible. The Bowtie was the most rewarding because of the constant crowd around the car. The car was used in 4 Advanced Judging Schools with some of the top gents in our organization like Gene Mano and John Ballard. We also had great fun with it in Chicago for MCACN where we achieved top honors in the Legends Certification program (run by Steve Shauger) and a Triple Diamond award. Unfortunately due to politics, we did not have a positive experience at Bloomington but that aside, I encourage you to drive your survivor, preserve it, show it for educational purposes, and display it at the local level to promote survivors!

                        I have a buddy with a '71 Couple 3 Star car and he drives it non stop. Its got original shocks. Its inspirational what he's done. Point being - make it safe but make sure you enjoy it. Changing the brakes, clutch, fluids, hoses, basic wear/tear items are not going to detract from it being a recognized survivor. Keep the original parts but enjoy it well!

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                        • Paul K.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • February 1, 2002
                          • 158

                          #42
                          Re: Bowtie award, then what

                          Thanks for the words of encouragement, I am leaning towards just what you said
                          Paul Klemetson

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