Question on 69 muffler blackout- how much of point hit if its not done?

[Michael L.]

Guys,

I'm in the very final stages of my 69 frame-off restoration and I'm planning on having it judged this fall. I have a question on the muffler blackout. I did the blackout already on the engine compartment and wheel wells, but I haven't been able to bring myself to spray it on my nice brand-new mufflers. If I opt to skip it, how much of a point hit can I expect for that one area? I'm already having to make several compromises that I know I'll take a points hit on and I might just opt to do it if the hit is big enough.

Mike

[Don H.]

Re: Question on 69 muffler blackout- how much of point hit if its not done?

You can guess what the deduction might be, by looking at the scoring sheets, which assign 8 Originality points to Mufflers. Since you're asking, I'm assuming the 69 JG says mufflers should show some blackout on them. If so, CDCIF says 20% applies to Finish, or 1 or 2 points. Depending on the judges and the meets, it could be no deduction, or 1 or 2. No matter what, it isn't much.

[Floyd B.]

Re: Question on 69 muffler blackout- how much of point hit if its not done?

If the mufflers are aluminized or stainless, you're going to take the standard deduction anyhow. The blackout won't matter at that point.

[Gary B.]

any aluminized exhaust components should receive 25% standard deduction at a minimum and then also additional

[Edward J.]

Re: Question on 69 muffler blackout- how much of point hit if its not done?

Mike, I think exhaust systems reproduced by any corvette venders take multiple hits, the type of bends made by the maker, and how there coated,(aluminized) , repo mufflers sometimes have the seam on the wrong side also. I would do what you can to minimize the deducts. As Don says CDCIF still comes into play after the 25 percent aluminized pipes deduct, the mufflers them selfs were aluminized. Hope this helps.

[Ed D.]

Re: Question on 69 muffler blackout- how much of point hit if its not done?

I appreciate the fact that the mufflers by themselves look bright, brand new and call attention to their shininess. This is exactly why they blacked them out, they did not what the new mufflers detract from the beautiful appearance of the rear of the car.
Ed

[Tony S.]

Re: Question on 69 muffler blackout- how much of point hit if its not done?

any aluminized exhaust components should receive 25% standard deduction at a minimum and then also additional

Gary, you are correct! Good call.

As an example, if an owner presents a car with an aluminumized system, then a 25% Standard Deduct applies. If there are no other issues with the exhaust system, then Gene Leonard and I would round down to a 2.0 point deduct on a 65 or 66 vehicle. However, in 65 for instance, muffler blackout is typical (and expected). If the muffler on an aluminumized system does not have any blackout, we would give an additional finish deduction. Other examples can be given.

Thanks for your input!
Tony

[Gary B.]

[Joseph S.]

Re: Question on 69 muffler blackout- how much of point hit if its not done?

Gary, you are correct! Good call.

As an example, if an owner presents a car with an aluminumized system, then a 25% Standard Deduct applies. If there are no other issues with the exhaust system, then Gene Leonard and I would round down to a 2.0 point deduct on a 65 or 66 vehicle. However, in 65 for instance, muffler blackout is typical (and expected). If the muffler on an aluminumized system does not have any blackout, we would give an additional finish deduction. Other examples can be given.

Thanks for your input!
Tony

Gary & Tony are on point regarding the Standard deduct. Typically our Standard deducts can't be altered or added to/subtracted from. They must be calculated as written. However, the stainless/aluminized Standard deduct is a minimum deduction from which to begin. Any other deviations from CDCIF must also be accounted for.

Great explanation guys!!

[Michael L.]

Re: Question on 69 muffler blackout- how much of point hit if its not done?

Yes definitely helpful thanks guys! I'm going to apply the blackout prior to being judged.

Mike