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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 43133

    My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

    My favorite Corvette waterpump is and has always been the GM #3998205 with casting number 3991399. This was a Corvette-only waterpump although it's possible it was also on some MD/HD trucks with small block. It's also a waterpump that was only used for a very short period of time----1971 and early 1972. It was superseded by a similar pump but with one important difference. That pump, casting #330813 used on Corvettes from later 1972 through 1982, had a big, ugly, unused external bypass boss and fitting on the top. It was plugged with a big, ugly, 3/4" NPT, square head pipe plug on Corvettes. I hate seeing such plugs underhood and, actually, it's quite "un-factory-like". But, for some reason, GM made an exception here.

    The GM #3998205 pump appears like the earlier GM #3957981 (casting #3782608) when seen installed on the engine and its snout hidden by the pulleys. However, it has the large bearing and shaft assembly which is far superior to the "spindly" bearing and shaft used in pre-1971 small block waterpumps. Consequently, it's far more rugged and long-lived than the earlier pumps.

    As some may know, beginning with the 1969 model year, only Corvettes and some MD/HD trucks used the short leg waterpumps, both small block and big block. All other Chevrolets went to the long leg variety. However, the 1971+ short leg pumps had a different hub spacing than the earlier pumps and used a 3/4 pilot as compared to the 5/8" pilot used for all earlier pumps.

    Below are pictured an NOS GM #3957981 (cast 3782608). This is the 1969-70 Corvette small block waterpump. Note the small diameter snout. An interesting thing about this pump is that it was cast the same day as the original pump on my 1969 Corvette small block (May 16, 1969) and from the same pattern (GM27).

    Also pictured is an NOS GM #3998205 (casting 3991399). Note the large snout with buttress-like reinforcements and the reinforcing ribs on the left side of the pump (like earlier Tonawanda-cast small bearing pumps). This one was cast September 17, 1971. I have several NOS examples of this pump and several rebuilt examples. I've never seen one with a date after about mid-1972. Note also the pattern number of 2. They didn't need many patterns for this pump since its use was so limited and its tenure so short.

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  • Duke W.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 1, 1993
    • 15497

    #2
    Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

    Standard SAE 5/8" and 3/4" water pump bearings are available in two versions - "ball/ball" and "ball/roller". The former has two rolls of ball bearings and the latter replaces the front balls with rollers, which makes the pump more durable. The ball/roller type was used on engine configurations that had a lot of belt driven accessories, but I expect most Corvette applications use the ball/ball type whether the bearing is the 5/8"or 3/4" size.

    About twenty years ago it became clear that Cosworth Vega water pumps were only good for about 40K miles - probably due to the high revs and the fact that the pulley functioned as the cam belt tensioner, so the bearing has a big side load. A friend referred me to a local water pump rebuilding house near LAX, and that's how I found out about the ball/roller bearing. At the time I was Regional Director for the Cosworth Vega Owner's Assc. so I collected about a dozen water pump cores from members and had them rebuilt on a group buy that was probably only about $25 bucks per pump.

    Unfortunately that company, Superior Water Pump, moved to Phoenix after the owner died and his daughter, Sharon, took over the business, but I don't know if they're still around.

    Water pumps are not that hard to rebuild if you have access to a press, and I recommend the ball/roller bearing for either bearing size regardless of the accessory load. It should last at least 50 percent longer than a ball/ball bearing.

    If you have a water pump rebuilt by a specialist, insist on a ball/roller bearing even if that's not what they already use.

    Duke

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    • Patrick H.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • December 1, 1989
      • 11541

      #3
      Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

      Originally posted by Joe Lucia (12484)
      That pump, casting #330813 used on Corvettes from later 1972 through 1982, had a big, ugly, unused external bypass boss and fitting on the top. It was plugged with a big, ugly, 3/4" NPT, square head pipe plug on Corvettes. I hate seeing such plugs underhood and, actually, it's quite "un-factory-like". But, for some reason, GM made an exception here.
      I'll make one correction - when the 330813 was used in very late 1972 Corvettes, the boss was not drilled and tapped. These are very rare water pumps to see or find. I believe that only recently have I started to count on my second hand how many I've seen on cars or for sale or anywhere.
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      • Joe L.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • February 1, 1988
        • 43133

        #4
        Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

        Originally posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)
        I'll make one correction - when the 330813 was used in very late 1972 Corvettes, the boss was not drilled and tapped. These are very rare water pumps to see or find. I believe that only recently have I started to count on my second hand how many I've seen on cars or for sale or anywhere.
        Patrick------


        Yes, I've seen one or two of these. However, while they don't have the big, ugly, 3/4" NPT pipe plug, they still have the big, ugly, unused boss. So, they are not as bad but they're still bad.
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        • Michael J.
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          • January 27, 2009
          • 7033

          #5
          Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

          My favorite one is the 326 for SHP small blocks from the '60s......or is it the 175s........
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          • Michael G.
            Very Frequent User
            • March 2, 2008
            • 485

            #6
            Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

            My favorite too Joe as it is what my car has. I always have an eye out for a proper dated usable core. Can never have too many.

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            • Loren L.
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              • May 1, 1976
              • 4104

              #7
              Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

              Duke, Superior Pump is no longer with us. Put simply, someone wanted her real estate more than Sharon wanted to be in the pump business.

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              • Tom K.
                Very Frequent User
                • February 16, 2017
                • 146

                #8
                Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

                Originally posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)
                I'll make one correction - when the 330813 was used in very late 1972 Corvettes, the boss was not drilled and tapped. These are very rare water pumps to see or find. I believe that only recently have I started to count on my second hand how many I've seen on cars or for sale or anywhere.
                Hey Patrick,

                Check out the attached pix...
                Is this one of those rare late 72 only water pumps?



                The pilot diameter is 3/4"


                Just curious


                Tom Krause
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                • Joe L.
                  Beyond Control Poster
                  • February 1, 1988
                  • 43133

                  #9
                  Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

                  Originally posted by Tom Krause (63300)
                  Hey Patrick,

                  Check out the attached pix...
                  Is this one of those rare late 72 only water pumps?



                  The pilot diameter is 3/4"


                  Just curious


                  Tom Krause
                  Tom-----



                  No, this is a waterpump used on 1975+ Chevrolet Monza's and Nova's with 262 V-8 engine. From what I can see of it, I don't think this is a GM casting.
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                  • Michael B.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • January 20, 2014
                    • 187

                    #10
                    Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

                    Joe and Patrick,

                    Here's a photo of one of my 330813 pumps with the untapped boss. You may know more, but as far as I know from consultation with Bill Mock they only cast these untapped pumps on two days; April 18th, and again on May 4, 1972. All castings after that were supposedly tapped.

                    Mike
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                    • Joe L.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • February 1, 1988
                      • 43133

                      #11
                      Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

                      Originally posted by Michael Johnson (49879)
                      My favorite one is the 326 for SHP small blocks from the '60s......or is it the 175s........
                      Michael-----

                      I believe the 3859326 was first used for the 1965 model year for applications with external bypass. It was never used in PRODUCTION for applications with internal bypass although it has provisions for internal bypass.

                      About 1970 the 3959326 (and similar 3839175) was supplied to SERVICE all 55-68 small block applications (and all 1969-70 Corvette small blocks). That's why you see a lot of 55-68 (and 69-70 Corvette) small blocks with a pump with the ugly, plugged boss and pipe plug. I feel the same way about that as I do about the 330813. However, at least the 73-82 Corvettes originally had this feature. NO 1955-68 (and 68-69 Corvette) small block without external bypass was EVER originally supplied with a pump with external bypass provisions. NONE. EVER.
                      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                      • Michael J.
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                        • January 27, 2009
                        • 7033

                        #12
                        Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

                        Agreed, that's the way I have understood it as well. But those two are still my favorite Corvette water pumps.
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                        • Mark E.
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                          • April 1, 1993
                          • 4457

                          #13
                          Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

                          Isn't it cool as grown men we have favorite water pumps? That's what passion with a hobby is about.
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                          • Michael J.
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                            • January 27, 2009
                            • 7033

                            #14
                            Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

                            It is, and as gear heads we all appreciate different mechanical and style items on Corvettes too. Sometime the sheer mechanical complexity and engineering design are the object of admiration for us. I just love the '63-'64 interiors, they are so attractive to me. And the SB SHP water pumps have their own beauty too.
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                            • Scott O.
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                              • December 9, 2009
                              • 100

                              #15
                              Re: My Favorite Corvette Waterpump

                              Can the Bearing/ Seals be removed form a NOS Water Pump and installed in a correct date 1978 Pump?
                              Thanks, Scott

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