Addressograph Ident-O-Plates and Protect-O-Plates In GM Warranty Booklets

[Rich G.]

Re: Addressograph Ident-O-Plates and Protect-O-Plates In GM Warranty Booklets

Rich-------


The only way I can understand that a P-O-P could be all metal-stamped is this: the purpose of the P-O-P was for warranty purposes. If a car was sold during the warranty period, the new owner could apply for a transfer of ownership for, as I recall, a fee. In that case I believe the P-O-P was returned to the zone office. The zone offices could have had Addressograph machines. Perhaps, they somehow removed the metal plate from the folder, embossed it, and re-attached it to the folder.

This could not have occurred due to a loss since, if that occurred, the folder would be lost with the plate and you would not have found the original dealer information on the folder.

Thanks Joe

I know this has the original owner name and address on it. He was still living in the same house when the car was dragged out of the garage in 1989. I guess this shall remain a mystery. I can't post pictures here but if anybody wants to pm me their email address I can send them.

Rich

[Larry E.]

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Kevin-------


I don't think so. Back in those days I was really close to the dealer I bought all of my Chevrolets from. Several of the salesmen were friends of mine and I often hung around the dealership. I don't ever recall seeing any Addressograph machine. These machines were quite large and, presumably, expensive. I just can't see GM supplying and/or the dealerships purchasing such a machine for the sole purpose of adding the owner's info to the P-O-P. I don't know of anything else the dealer could have used them for.

The P-O-P for my 1969 Corvette was supplied with the car, the plate was already affixed to the P-O-P folder and embossed with the car information. There is no way the dealer could have further embossed the plate with an Addressograph machine after it was already affixed to the folder. I was actually present when the salesman prepared and affixed the DYMO labels to my plate and filled out the rest of the folder with a pen.

The 1966-68 procedure for the plates was exactly the same------the plates were embossed at the factory and affixed to the P-O-P folder at the factory. They could not have been further embossed at the dealership even if the dealership had an Addressograph machine.

FWIW: Having gone to a lot of seminairs with Al Grenning this subject of course came up. Correct me if I am wrong>IIRC each Zone office had some type of machine that could dublicate the POP and maybe Trim Tags for their dealer requests. Larry

[Rich G.]

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I have emailed a couple of pics that Vinny Peters says he will put up here.

Rich

[Vinnie P.]

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As per Rich's message above

[Dan A.]

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Could factory delivery have resulted in the all metal stamped POP?

[Kevin G.]

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FWIW: Having gone to a lot of seminairs with Al Grenning this subject of course came up. Correct me if I am wrong>IIRC each Zone office had some type of machine that could dublicate the POP and maybe Trim Tags for their dealer requests. Larry

Seeing the first owner's name stamped, on several metal plates (I do have some GM "taped" ones as well, and extra tape), lead me to believe the address o graph machines were at each dealership?. Now, I'm not certain where the machine I was offered came from? I was told at the time it was found in an old church and put there by a mechanic from the local Chevy dealer. Said to have come from that dealership?

Learned a little here!

[Rich G.]

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In the case of my car, the original owner stated he went to the dealer on Memorial Day weekend in 1968 to order a car. They told him it was too late to order a 68 but they had two Big Blocks due in. He chose this one. I don't know if the car was an order for somebody else who cancelled or if it was ordered for stock.

Rich

[Terry M.]

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Seeing the first owner's name stamped, on several metal plates (I do have some GM "taped" ones as well, and extra tape), lead me to believe the address o graph machines were at each dealership?. Now, I'm not certain where the machine I was offered came from? I was told at the time it was found in an old church and put there by a mechanic from the local Chevy dealer. Said to have come from that dealership?

Learned a little here!

Kevin
At one time a lot of Address o graph machines were available from various fraternal organizations (Veterans of Foreign Wars, American Legion, Kiwanis, Lions, etc.) as well as religious organizations. It was the main way those groups addressed mailings to their membership before there were computers. I am sure many were scrapped as the computer age dawned, and in some cases there are probably still machines lurking in the dusty recesses of many churches and fraternal organizations.

[Kevin G.]

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Kevin
At one time a lot of Address o graph machines were available from various fraternal organizations (Veterans of Foreign Wars, American Legion, Kiwanis, Lions, etc.) as well as religious organizations. It was the main way those groups addressed mailings to their membership before there were computers. I am sure many were scrapped as the computer age dawned, and in some cases there are probably still machines lurking in the dusty recesses of many churches and fraternal organizations.

Thanks Terry, that might very well explain the reason for where it was found? The person, machine, and property owner, have long been gone, over ten years now, so, no way for me to go back and ask......Making our words here that much more valuable!

[Gary C.]

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Guys,

When I came back from SE Asia and took delivery of my '61 Impala 409, I recall it had a pre-stamped metal warranty card and the dealer added my name & address (?) to the stamped metal warranty card with a raised tape writer.

Gary
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[Joe L.]

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One more thing: the instructions for the production of the P-O-P's can be found in the AIMs. It instructs that after the embossment of the plates, they are to be affixed to the P-O-P folder. If there was any intention that the plates be later embossed with an Addressograph machine, I'm sure that there would not have been the instruction that the plates be affixed to the folder. Once affixed to the folder they are difficult to remove (by intention) and could not be further embossed with a machine.

[Rich G.]

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One more thing: the instructions for the production of the P-O-P's can be found in the AIMs. It instructs that after the embossment of the plates, they are to be affixed to the P-O-P folder. If there was any intention that the plates be later embossed with an Addressograph machine, I'm sure that there would not have been the instruction that the plates be affixed to the folder. Once affixed to the folder they are difficult to remove (by intention) and could not be further embossed with a machine.

So this gets curiouser and curiouser as they say. My book has the vin perforated on the edge and the all metal plate glued to it. Assuming the books were perforated at the factory and the plate glued on there it's hard to imagine how it got this way. At this point it's anybody's guess.

Hard to believe someone would go through the trouble to fake it and not know that the name and address should be in Dymo tape. IF it's true that the zone had a machine to duplicate the POP AND the original got separated from the book somehow AND the dealer asked for a duplicate including the buyer information THEN that COULD be an explanation. A lot of IF's.

I don't know. Waiting for my time machine to come from Amazon.

Rich

[Mike E.]

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I've been reading this with interest--time to get in on the conversation.
1) although organizations used addressograph plates for addressing mailings to members, most didn't own the machine that cut the plate; most sent the info out to addressograph and they cut the plates for you. I'm old enough to remember those packages arriving. That's before the high-tech invention of tractor-feed printers.
2). Standard dymo tape cutters emboss the tape from left to right with the tape on the back. For the p-o-p, the embossing reads from right to left with the tape on the back, so when the tape is used in an addressograph manner, the imprint reads left to right properly. You can't just flip the tape over on the roll, and have the sticky side on the other side, because then when stuck to the metal plate, the information is debossed rather than embossed.
FWIW

[Ray G.]

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Great Thread
May I add there was much competition between the General Motors Divisions.
Each Division wanted to show their individuality in EVERYTHING produced from cars/trucks to literature and parts.
There was very little interchange, even in hard parts.
Sometimes it was just a matter of not conferring on simple things like warranty books and protect-o-plates.
.02

[Joe L.]

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Great Thread
May I add there was much competition between the General Motors Divisions.
Each Division wanted to show their individuality in EVERYTHING produced from cars/trucks to literature and parts.
There was very little interchange, even in hard parts.
Sometimes it was just a matter of not conferring on simple things like warranty books and protect-o-plates.
.02

Ray-------


...and, as you know, the differences even included engines. Each GM brand had their own completely different and totally unique engines. Those were the days! From the standpoint of economics and rationality it made no sense, at all, but it was just WONDERFUL. In my mind, GM has never been the same since that went away.

Strangely, Ford and Chrysler never had unique engines by brand---their engines were always basically the same across all their brands.